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Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 02:24:48 - [1] - Quote Am I supposed to read 20 pages which would be more than technical? Or am I supposed to read 10 pages which would be technical? Or am I supposed to read 4 pages which would be more manageable? Or am I supposed to read 1 or 2 pages to make it easier to deal with? I think that to expect CCP to do things that would hinder them or be worst to them is going to lead to that and other obvious consequences. Why and how could they implement 3rd party systems which are allowed even though it would cause too much stress on their system to try to implement them or integrate them? Why should they publish system designs which were created to keep the system functional if it is going to be used against them? I won't go over the rest of the details in this thread at this time yet. There exists such thing as feasibility. The fact that they kept the game feasible after all those years already is their greatest achievement and record. I don't even think that it is possible for them to know all the details internally at all times. I can't even program in Python yet which is one of the main coding requirements for this (coding) system. It is in great part what allowed them to port legacy code with such efficiency (if not the most, as mentionned above). Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 02:29:46 - [2] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: ...what operating system windows operates under then ... Windows does not operate under an operating system for the simple reason that it is an operating system. Negative logic rule. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 02:35:09 - [3] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: ...windows is a application and words matter and any lawyer will tell you this. 3rd party application is any application not developed by ccp. 3rd party application in relation to ccp are other entities than the client - server. The server, ccp, is a party, the client, user is a second party, the 3rd party application programs (software and/or hardware) are a third party. Just because someone makes an operating system that ccp can run under or with doesn't mean that it is not a 3rd party. Windows also runs on it's own software by the way, as it does run on IBM hardware and clone as well. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 02:43:47 - [4] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: ...what operating system windows operates under then ... Buzz Orti: "Windows does not operate under an operating system for the simple reason that it is an operating system. Negative logic rule." Doesnt need to operate under a operating system. Daemun Khanid wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: ...what operating system windows operates under then ... Buzz Orti: "Windows does not operate under an operating system for the simple reason that it is an operating system. Negative logic rule." My point exactly. Exactly and windows is an operating system application which makes it a separate and special type of application as are all operating systems. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 02:54:24 - [5] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: ... Except that any special relationship such as windows is not noted in the eula. There is no exception explicitly said. and to my stalker "of or relating to a person or group besides the two primarily involved in a situation." 3rd party google+common knowledge. ^^ Correction: Windows also runs on it's own hardware (not software) by the way, as it does run on IBM hardware and clone as well. Special relationship such as windows and MacOS or Linux? What is your definition is those OSes and how it is related to in the EULA. Also, the 3rd party license is not the same as the EULA. The contract, not treaty or convention is the difference, if not an exception explicitly said, whether relevant or not, or omitted... Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 03:04:41 - [6] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Guess what. News for you. Everything runs on hardware, some simply need the help of windows to operate in.[/quote] That is not news to me, and if you can make hardware and can't make OS to run software on, you will need to hire an entity to create it or do it or run it. Hardware is not designed to run software without OS. Even console systems like PS3 or other have their own OS. So, you are interpreting some of the info you mention as if to try to steal from me or try to discredit me, or both. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 03:09:57 - [7] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: I've honestly lost track of what you guys are arguing at this point. I don't like to argue and it would be a waste of my time. I have more worthwhile challenges to deal with. Same reasons why it's more efficient for me to copyright / patent software / hardware and the OS interface as well as their related knowledge base.. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 03:29:58 - [8] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Buzz Orti wrote: Death Reactor wrote: Guess what. News for you. Everything runs on hardware, some simply need the help of windows to operate in. That is not news to me, and if you can make hardware and can't make OS to run software on, you will need to hire an entity to create it or do it or run it. Hardware is not designed to run software without OS. Even console systems like PS3 or other have their own OS. So, you are interpreting some of the info you mention as if to try to steal from me or try to discredit me, or both. Edit: The communication system is also unforgiving enough to cause blatant errors such as the omission of the quoted text from you, and make it too hard to verify how it occured and why enough to be at peace with it. Yes everything has a operating system, except a device that does not have a operating system.No one is talking about hardware running without a operating system. A device that does not have a operating system is not a hardware device that is considered to be a computer. I just did talk about hwardare running or , not running rather, without an operating system. If you try to load an XT without a BIOS and OS floppy loaded to boot it, it will not run the OS. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 03:39:04 - [9] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Buzz Orti wrote: Death Reactor wrote: Buzz Orti wrote: Death Reactor wrote: Guess what. News for you. Everything runs on hardware, some simply need the help of windows to operate in. That is not news to me, and if you can make hardware and can't make OS to run software on, you will need to hire an entity to create it or do it or run it. Hardware is not designed to run software without OS. Even console systems like PS3 or other have their own OS. So, you are interpreting some of the info you mention as if to try to steal from me or try to discredit me, or both. Edit: The communication system is also unforgiving enough to cause blatant errors such as the omission of the quoted text from you, and make it too hard to verify how it occured and why enough to be at peace with it. Yes everything has a operating system, except a device that does not have a operating system.No one is talking about hardware running without a operating system. A device that does not have a operating system is not a hardware device that is considered to be a computer. I just did talk about hwardare running or , not running rather, without an operating system. Edit: (hardware not hwardare, I don't refer to radar, either radar on a carrier or with dropped carrier...) If you try to load an XT without a BIOS and OS floppy loaded to boot it, it will not run the OS. Edit 2: a :roll also was also added from a 3rd party, or 4th party. I built my computer. before i installed a operating system it was still a computer. I can build a computer with the equivalent of a 286 or XT , or 386 type processor. It would not run EVE or the related graphic, however, it would be possible to patent it for me to use the right from it and fight it in court, even if I have to move out to a country that lets me use my own rights to use my own work, if the courts decide that I would unfairly damage other party, regardless of how much my rights are alienated. If you build a new computer patented by other companies, it is still your own computer but the IP rights are the governing bodies. Edit: https://m.youtube.com/results?search_query=build+your+own+processor&sp=CAASAggA Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 03:46:46 - [10] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: lol there you go again off topic. no one is talking about hardware rights. It is your own decision to state that : 1. no one was talking about hardware right. 2. that hardware rights is off topic. 3. you mentionned about OS, or whichever it was, if you are not the same entity. 4. OS runs on hardware. 5. therefore why is hardware rights (if any, or even one's own rights for that matter) off topic? You made the inference, not me. Of course it is perhaps out of the scope of your subject, although I am involved in IP rights with this enough to know that it is on topic. Death Reactor wrote: ...edit: think he is just trolling Looks like we are not fighting the same war, if you are in any war... Unless you're just trying to throw me off as your post suggests. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 04:24:32 - [11] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Buzz Orti wrote: Death Reactor wrote: Guess what. News for you. Everything runs on hardware, some simply need the help of windows to operate in. Buzz Orti: "That is not news to me, and if you can make hardware and can't make OS to run software on, you will need to hire an entity to create it or do it or run it. Hardware is not designed to run software without OS. Even console systems like PS3 or other have their own OS. So, you are interpreting some of the info you mention as if to try to steal from me or try to discredit me, or both. Edit: The communication system is also unforgiving enough to cause blatant errors such as the omission of the quoted text from you, and make it too hard to verify how it occured and why enough to be at peace with it." Yes everything has a operating system, except a device that does not have a operating system.No one is talking about hardware running without a operating system. A device that does not have a operating system is not a hardware device that is considered to be a computer. I just did talk about hwardare running or , not running rather, without an operating system. Edit: (hardware not hwardare, I don't refer to radar, either radar on a carrier or with dropped carrier...) If you try to load an XT without a BIOS and OS floppy loaded to boot it, it will not run the OS. Edit 2: a :roll also was also added from a 3rd party, or 4th party. I built my computer. before i installed a operating system it was still a computer.[/quote] edit: to the stalker. Yes the eula is the contract. And therefore they cannot ban you because you do something they dont like. It has to be a violation of the eula specificly. And while inital discretion is theres according to the eula, once a decision has been made regarding a program it must be added to the eula and not some forum post that most players dont read and 0 players give their consent to. Cannot change the eula without a new eula and a forum post declaring new activities or programs being valid or invalid is a change in the eula. Before you could do it, now you cant= eula changed.[/quote] That is definitely better discussed outside of the scope of this forum because that it is too easy [Note added mid-editing due to system stalling after a fake customer entered, practically threatening to rob the place, before the store was closed at the normal time...] ...too easy to misinterpret and lead to uncontrolled conflicts (undue aggravation)... + quotes are all mixed up, quoting more than 5 quotes, etc... + ty for posting some of the legal license (imparting of legal IP right(s) within limits) text (or terms) that may be referred to in regards to subject you may have referred to. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 04:40:50 - [12] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: Death Reactor wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: You seem to be missing the point in regards to the simple phrase, "in their discretion." I don't think you quite grasp that it's not only extremely vague but it's intentionally that way. The eula has not changed, their discretion has. Hence... "their discretion." You dont seem to grasp how discretion from one eula to another can mean different things. old eula discretion ment that you could do it. New eula discretion means you cannot. Its the same word but has a different meaning. It means neither... It means they can decide on a case by case basis what to allow and what not to allow. You are seriously grasping at straws and I'm done wasting my time trying to talk any sense to the senseless. If you think you can interpret it however you want then go ahead. I'll look forward to your "I've been banned and it's not fair" post in GD. Sorry if you feel that debunking your ideas are grasping at straws lol. It is as i said though. I really dont see any legal reasoning for me being banned though but you wait there and stalk for me maybe just maybe one day in thet far future(however long eve lasts) when I am done with eve i might show up there just to wave bye to my haters. edit: it was not a case by case basis. No one was banned for overlays before this. Botting, broadcasting,scripts of that sort yes. But not overlays. Discretion meant there was a blanket acceptance or at least nonaction against it. When that discretion changed to a no regarding this subject then indeed the word discretion when pertaining to overlays had changed. Perhaps you banned me twice and I have to pay double to find out wheher or not. Perhaps you support this kind of activity and are only trying to bait me into committing myself or be off topic or God knows what. Perhaps, like me, you were unfairly banned 3 times already, as in 3 strikes in a baseball game. ...perhaps edit, I forgot now: Is there a link in this thread to a post in this thread about the overlay you are refering to? I don't know which one it is or in relation to what it is infered (or related to). Either way, how are you posting on this forum?, and 2. you got some time off if You are gonna get a deal or other. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 05:37:56 - [13] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Now see this" GÇ£We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications" Since multiboxing is explicity allowed then it is reasonable to assume that a player with 10 accounts will have a just advantage over a player with 1 account. It doesnt say ccp has some overly vague discretion that is solely their to determine what confers an unfair benefit and therefore having 10 fully capable accounts running appears to really not be a violation of eula. It is completly reasonable to expect 10 accounts vs one to be fair game according to eula and a overlay that affects windows and not the eve client appears to be not against eula. I'm not gonna read the whole thing, I'm on screen keyboard, with USB external power as backup power, ups. They can do what they want. They designed it like that. Edit: It's not the ground. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 141	Posted - 2016.02.28 05:54:43 - [14] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Buzz Orti wrote: Death Reactor wrote: Now see this" GÇ£We do not endorse or condone the use of any third party applications or other software that modifies the client or otherwise confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications" Since multiboxing is explicity allowed then it is reasonable to assume that a player with 10 accounts will have a just advantage over a player with 1 account. It doesnt say ccp has some overly vague discretion that is solely their to determine what confers an unfair benefit and therefore having 10 fully capable accounts running appears to really not be a violation of eula. It is completly reasonable to expect 10 accounts vs one to be fair game according to eula and a overlay that affects windows and not the eve client appears to be not against eula. I'm not gonna read the whole thing, I'm on screen keyboard, with USB external power as backup power, ups. They can do what they want. They designed it like that. Edit: It's not the ground. They may want details and explanations from you. I don't know you yet and if I do I didn't know until I get more info. If they mention reason x is why b happened, it doesn't really matter because of a. If you omit their concern it may be your responsibility. It may be a complain. If the complain is malicious or invalid how will they find out? Where is your analysis on balance of powers and why is it viable? Is your credit scientific, legal, educational or other? What about credit for art? What about NDA? Non-competition clauses? The answer is probably 42 I prefer a billion trillion. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 152	Posted - 2016.02.28 07:21:43 - [15] - Quote Death Reactor wrote: Buzz Orti wrote: Death Reactor wrote: ... The answer is probably 42 I prefer a billion trillion. It's more worth it to me and every one can get a better share. I can't do much with $42... but 42 could be anything, it can even be a boat, we have always wanted a boat. Is this the time it takes to make a profit or something related to the number of days (without taking into account the other factors like costs of money and so on)... I use more accurate data for calculations of Rate of Return On Investments and Return On Investments. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 156	Posted - 2016.02.28 08:21:54 - [16] - Quote Neuntausend wrote: Ok, now this thread has gone from voicing at least somewhat serious concerns to completely silly quarreling. It is about overlays, or applications like mumble, team speak, browser, or third party app not for business and not controlling other accounts modules from another accounts (like a thief would do). Also about ISK buyers amnesty. And it is also about account security. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 158	Posted - 2016.02.28 14:26:37 - [17] - Quote Random User83 wrote: As a Mulitboxer I greatly appriciate the clarification regarding ISBoxer and Windows management. I run 2 clients split 50/50 on one screen (healers) with isboxer just so there's no overlap (but each is controlled individually, and then 8-9 dps clients on another screen in stock normal windowed mode that i just click back and forth through. It's nice to finally know that what i'm doing isn't going to get me banned. Thankyou for taking the time to answer the questions we've been wondering about for a looooong time. xoxo random user 83 Bonus round for the user. I read ISBoxer could be used if done properly and within limited parameters allowed by the EULA or new deals contracts terms. Except I need more RAM for around $5 to $10, idk. Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
Buzz Orti State War Academy Caldari State 165	Posted - 2016.02.28 15:06:05 - [18] - Quote Mishra San wrote: Cynthia Asanari wrote: I've recently been drawing eve ship commissions for PLEX . is this legit? I'm pretty sure it is, but I'm just double checking anyway. Something like this. http://imgur.com/gallery/EBcTNPa I figured i had to ask since it's not really an in-game item Late to the party and kinda off topic, but that is an amazing picture =). Likes! Is this like a 3rd party accounting system to keep track of brokers commissions on trades of services or products security? Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.